It makes 100 years that salvador allende, chile democratic prime-minister in the 70's, was born. I put this toppic here as an homenage to this man, symbol of courage and honesty (besides a mark for all the democratic socialists in the world) who choosed to die with democracy, shooting himself before Pinochet victory. He did not saw the evil dictatorship that followed him, but he sees his legacy recognized everywhere, specially in Chile where he is still the most popular person.

It makes 100 years that salvador allende, chile democratic prime-minister in the 70's, was born. I put this toppic here as an homenage to this man, symbol of courage and honesty (besides a mark for all the democratic socialists in the world) who choosed to die with democracy, shooting himself before Pinochet victory. He did not saw the evil dictatorship that followed him, but he sees his legacy recognized everywhere, specially in Chile where he is still the most popular person.

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Salvador Allende contributes have been very marked in the history of Chile despite of that he have been in power only for 3 years [1970 - 1973].

In the economic field, he was very successive & he initiated very important programs for education, health & industry.

I'm not a socialist, but I have to show respect to his plans.

The coup that ended his life & carrier is just showing what kind of interfere US is offering & what kind of dictators they are taking as partners.
The same policy that's working till now,
"Search for the benefits, no matter who will pay the price".

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I guess he was the president not the prime minister.

Committing suicide is as much brave as it is smart to lead a country to bankruptcy. Fortunately there was the evil man around to solve the issue.

Committing suicide is as much brave as it is smart to lead a country to bankruptcy. Fortunately there was the evil man around to solve the issue.

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"In the first year of Allende's term, the short-term economic results of Minister of the Economy Pedro Vuskovic's expansive monetary policy were favorable: 12% industrial growth and an 8.6% increase in GDP, accompanied by major declines in inflation (down from 34.9% to 22.1%) and unemployment (down to 3.8%). However, these results were not sustained, and in 1972, the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. The average Real GDP contracted between 1971 and 1973 at an annual rate of 5.6% ("negative growth"); and the government's fiscal deficit soared while foreign reserves declined [Flores, 1997]. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing, together with the "disappearance" of basic commodities from supermarket shelves, led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour."

"In the first year of Allende's term, the short-term economic results of Minister of the Economy Pedro Vuskovic's expansive monetary policy were favorable: 12% industrial growth and an 8.6% increase in GDP, accompanied by major declines in inflation (down from 34.9% to 22.1%) and unemployment (down to 3.8%). However, these results were not sustained, and in 1972, the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. The average Real GDP contracted between 1971 and 1973 at an annual rate of 5.6% ("negative growth"); and the government's fiscal deficit soared while foreign reserves declined [Flores, 1997]. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing, together with the "disappearance" of basic commodities from supermarket shelves, led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour."

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"There were rumors of a possible coup since at least 1972; in 1973, partly due to Allende's economic policies and partly as a result of the rapidly declining price of copper (Chile's main export), the economy took a major downturn. By September, high inflation (508% for the entire year) and shortages had plunged the country into near-chaos."

"There were rumors of a possible coup since at least 1972; in 1973, partly due to Allende's economic policies and partly as a result of the rapidly declining price of copper (Chile's main export), the economy took a major downturn. By September, high inflation (508% for the entire year) and shortages had plunged the country into near-chaos."

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"In August 1973, a constitutional crisis was clearly in the offing: the Supreme Court publicly complained about the government's inability to enforce the law of the land and, on August 22, the Chamber of Deputies (with the Christian Democrats now firmly uniting with the National Party) accused Allende's government of unconstitutional acts and called on the military ministers to assure the constitutional order. Among other things, Allende was accused of disregarding the courts, attempting to restrict freedom of speech, and supporting unauthorized seizures of farms and private industry for the purpose of establishing state control of the economy. The Chamber of Deputies also attacked Allende for seeking to "establish a totalitarian system absolutely opposed to the representative system of government established by the Constitution."[27]

In early September 1973, Allende floated the idea of resolving the crisis with a plebiscite. His speech outlining such a solution was scheduled for September 12, but he was never able to deliver it. On September 11, 1973, the Chilean military staged a coup against Allende."

"In August 1973, a constitutional crisis was clearly in the offing: the Supreme Court publicly complained about the government's inability to enforce the law of the land and, on August 22, the Chamber of Deputies (with the Christian Democrats now firmly uniting with the National Party) accused Allende's government of unconstitutional acts and called on the military ministers to assure the constitutional order. Among other things, Allende was accused of disregarding the courts, attempting to restrict freedom of speech, and supporting unauthorized seizures of farms and private industry for the purpose of establishing state control of the economy. The Chamber of Deputies also attacked Allende for seeking to "establish a totalitarian system absolutely opposed to the representative system of government established by the Constitution."[27]

In early September 1973, Allende floated the idea of resolving the crisis with a plebiscite. His speech outlining such a solution was scheduled for September 12, but he was never able to deliver it. On September 11, 1973, the Chilean military staged a coup against Allende."

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Joao guess you are forgeting something... The american strategy to create instability in Chile. All because Allende nationalized vital sectors in economy: bank and industries. Also Allende government took measures to help small farmers and give him the status of citizens, because they live in a feudal prostration. The biggest measure he took was the nationalization of the copper industry (considered in Allende words, the ground of Chile), no matter the intents of USA. That's the reason Nixon gave orders to Kissinger to create a political instability in Chile and promote a coup d'etat.
Allend legacy is the creation of a new way to socialism respecting political pluralism, democratic rules and respect for human rights. Let's not forget that for some time Allende had the support of PDC. American fears of communism in Chile were stupid: Allende supported republicans in Spain in the 30's; allies in against nazis and fascists in the 40's; sovietic invasion of Hungary in the 50's; in the 60's he supported Fidel revolution, the fight of vietnamit people and criticized the repression of Prague Spring. Also in UN he spoke in the name of those in the 3rd world who fought for independence and national control of resources for their own development.
He had the political support to close the National Congress, where oposition have majority, but he refused: «we will made revolutionary changes in pluralism, democracy and freedom»... That was the reason he called a national plebiscite in order to hear people in 1973 crisis.
I guess we have different visions of these two men, Allende and Pinochet... For me I would prefere to see Allende lose democratic elections, than an evil dictatorship who eliminate any trace of freedom. Unfortunately Pinochet was never judged by his crimes.
Some can always say the economical miracles in Chile during Pinochet dictatorship: 1st they should know the influence and support of the so-called «Chicago Boys» and amercian dependence; 2nd the result of this miracle we saw it in 1982, when we have the collapse of chilean economy, unemployment higher than 30% and in banks the bankrupt. Although some recovery after that one thing is sure: many social costs were paid by the lower strata of Chilean society. One thing is clear: Pinochet didn't open hand of copper sector. According to Sznajder and Petras the balance of Pinochet government is: large cuts to incomes and social services; Wages decreased by 8%; Family allowances in 1989 were 28% of what they had been in 1970 and the budgets for education, health and housing had dropped by over 20% on average. The massive increases in military spending and cuts in funding to public services coincided with falling wages and steady rises in unemployment, which averaged 26% during the worldwide economic slump of 1982–1985 and eventually peaked at 30%. Also his politics reduced the total proportion of students in both public and private institutions in relation to the entire population, from 30 per cent in 1974 down to 25 per cent in 1990. This period saw also the expansion of monopolies and widespread speculation.

Joao guess you are forgeting something... The american strategy to create instability in Chile. All because Allende nationalized vital sectors in economy: bank and industries. Also Allende government took measures to help small farmers and give him the status of citizens, because they live in a feudal prostration. The biggest measure he took was the nationalization of the copper industry (considered in Allende words, the ground of Chile), no matter the intents of USA. That's the reason Nixon gave orders to Kissinger to create a political instability in Chile and promote a coup d'etat.
Allend legacy is the creation of a new way to socialism respecting political pluralism, democratic rules and respect for human rights. Let's not forget that for some time Allende had the support of PDC. American fears of communism in Chile were stupid: Allende supported republicans in Spain in the 30's; allies in against nazis and fascists in the 40's; sovietic invasion of Hungary in the 50's; in the 60's he supported Fidel revolution, the fight of vietnamit people and criticized the repression of Prague Spring. Also in UN he spoke in the name of those in the 3rd world who fought for independence and national control of resources for their own development.
He had the political support to close the National Congress, where oposition have majority, but he refused: «we will made revolutionary changes in pluralism, democracy and freedom»... That was the reason he called a national plebiscite in order to hear people in 1973 crisis.
I guess we have different visions of these two men, Allende and Pinochet... For me I would prefere to see Allende lose democratic elections, than an evil dictatorship who eliminate any trace of freedom. Unfortunately Pinochet was never judged by his crimes.
Some can always say the economical miracles in Chile during Pinochet dictatorship: 1st they should know the influence and support of the so-called «Chicago Boys» and amercian dependence; 2nd the result of this miracle we saw it in 1982, when we have the collapse of chilean economy, unemployment higher than 30% and in banks the bankrupt. Although some recovery after that one thing is sure: many social costs were paid by the lower strata of Chilean society. One thing is clear: Pinochet didn't open hand of copper sector. According to Sznajder and Petras the balance of Pinochet government is: large cuts to incomes and social services; Wages decreased by 8%; Family allowances in 1989 were 28% of what they had been in 1970 and the budgets for education, health and housing had dropped by over 20% on average. The massive increases in military spending and cuts in funding to public services coincided with falling wages and steady rises in unemployment, which averaged 26% during the worldwide economic slump of 1982–1985 and eventually peaked at 30%. Also his politics reduced the total proportion of students in both public and private institutions in relation to the entire population, from 30 per cent in 1974 down to 25 per cent in 1990. This period saw also the expansion of monopolies and widespread speculation.

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Some interesting books:
Soto, Ó - El Ultimo Dia de Salvador Allende

AMOROS, Mario - Companero presidente. Salvador Allende, una vida por la democracia y el socialismo

Petras, J. & Vieux, S. - "The Chilean 'Economic Miracle"': An Empirical Critique" in Critical Sociology

Sznajder, M. - "Dilemmas of economic and political modernisation in Chile: A jaguar that wants to be a puma" in Third World Quarterly

Schatan, J. - "The Deceitful Nature of Socio-Economic Indicators" in Development

Dorfman, Ariel; Aguilera, Pilar & Fredes, Ricardo - Chile: The Other September 11: An Anthology of Reflections on the 1973 Coup

Jonathan Haslam - The Nixon Administration and the Death of Allende's Chile: A Case of Assisted Suicide

Cox, Brian, Nixon, Pat; Brezhnev, Leonid Brezhnev & Hitchens, Christopher - Trials of Henry Kissinger

Heraldo Munoz - The Dictator's Shadow: Life Under Augusto Pinochet

Some interesting books:
Soto, Ó - El Ultimo Dia de Salvador Allende

AMOROS, Mario - Companero presidente. Salvador Allende, una vida por la democracia y el socialismo

Petras, J. & Vieux, S. - "The Chilean 'Economic Miracle"': An Empirical Critique" in Critical Sociology

Sznajder, M. - "Dilemmas of economic and political modernisation in Chile: A jaguar that wants to be a puma" in Third World Quarterly

Schatan, J. - "The Deceitful Nature of Socio-Economic Indicators" in Development

Dorfman, Ariel; Aguilera, Pilar & Fredes, Ricardo - Chile: The Other September 11: An Anthology of Reflections on the 1973 Coup

Jonathan Haslam - The Nixon Administration and the Death of Allende's Chile: A Case of Assisted Suicide

Cox, Brian, Nixon, Pat; Brezhnev, Leonid Brezhnev & Hitchens, Christopher - Trials of Henry Kissinger

Heraldo Munoz - The Dictator's Shadow: Life Under Augusto Pinochet

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Luís, Pinochet subjected himself to public scrutiny after 15 years and to this day probably half of the population of Chile likes him. Chile is today the most stable economy in South America.


America is always the excuse for everything, but you know as I do that they don't have the power to raise inflation to 500% only stupid policies made by local government can.

What Salvador Allende did is well known. For example he fixed the price of bread. So everything else was raising but not bread. This is a humanitarian policy that left wingers love. People can have their bread when everything else is getting dear, right? Wrong. Bread producers were facing inflation too and they couldn't make a living producing bread with the fixed prices so they abandoned the business. Bread was still cheap but it also became scarce. So if you wanted to eat your bread you had to go to the black market and buy it at astronomical prices.

There is a saying that goes : "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."


About Pinochet, extremism from one side brings extremism from the other. Liberal policies bring development but they also bring inequality, which happened in Chile, but they are needed to generate wealth for further redistribution. On the other side social measures bring equality but they also bring sluggish economic growth or worst. So the point here is to find a balance in which you don't hurt the economy but you don't cause too much wealth discrepancy. And then there are blunt instruments which may damage a lot without any perspective of doing good, fixing asset prices, or nationalizing companies, etc...

And then you have our country strange example in which a lot of stupid policies are applied as an excuse for social goals and in the end we have such a big inequality as countries with liberal governments like the US, without having the benefits of low unemployment and strong economic growth or even a higher poverty threshold.

Luís, Pinochet subjected himself to public scrutiny after 15 years and to this day probably half of the population of Chile likes him. Chile is today the most stable economy in South America.


America is always the excuse for everything, but you know as I do that they don't have the power to raise inflation to 500% only stupid policies made by local government can.

What Salvador Allende did is well known. For example he fixed the price of bread. So everything else was raising but not bread. This is a humanitarian policy that left wingers love. People can have their bread when everything else is getting dear, right? Wrong. Bread producers were facing inflation too and they couldn't make a living producing bread with the fixed prices so they abandoned the business. Bread was still cheap but it also became scarce. So if you wanted to eat your bread you had to go to the black market and buy it at astronomical prices.

There is a saying that goes : "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."


About Pinochet, extremism from one side brings extremism from the other. Liberal policies bring development but they also bring inequality, which happened in Chile, but they are needed to generate wealth for further redistribution. On the other side social measures bring equality but they also bring sluggish economic growth or worst. So the point here is to find a balance in which you don't hurt the economy but you don't cause too much wealth discrepancy. And then there are blunt instruments which may damage a lot without any perspective of doing good, fixing asset prices, or nationalizing companies, etc...

And then you have our country strange example in which a lot of stupid policies are applied as an excuse for social goals and in the end we have such a big inequality as countries with liberal governments like the US, without having the benefits of low unemployment and strong economic growth or even a higher poverty threshold.

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Joao, he subjected himself to public scrutiny but refused to face justice... Let's not forget that he accepted the results in change of a place as vitalicium senator and judicial imunity for him and his close allies...
João I recommend you to read the books I gave you. They showed the talks between Nixon and Kissinger where they discuss how to create instability in Chile and they made it. Sure that Allende government, based on an alliance, was not an example of stability... And PDC was bought by american interests to refuse the support to Allende politics. Well they left the government they supported and choosed the other camp.
About the rest we have different views, since you believe in a non statal economy and I defend that... So we have different views. So your considerations about american situation we discuss in other toppic and I refuse to accept such linear views...

Besides in my political believes I cannot accept and support dictators and violation of human rights in the name of economy... Pinochet was a murderer no matter what their defensors say. He is still popular. Well Salazar is also popular in Portugal... The fact is that their supporters never won elections in Chile, and after Pinochet 2 socialists were elected president and one of them, Ricardo Lagos (Allende ally) is still the most popular politician in that region. You say Pinochet is popular, so it is Allende. As I said Chile is still divided between these two men... I am happy to be in the side of humanism, democracy and freedom...

Joao, he subjected himself to public scrutiny but refused to face justice... Let's not forget that he accepted the results in change of a place as vitalicium senator and judicial imunity for him and his close allies...
João I recommend you to read the books I gave you. They showed the talks between Nixon and Kissinger where they discuss how to create instability in Chile and they made it. Sure that Allende government, based on an alliance, was not an example of stability... And PDC was bought by american interests to refuse the support to Allende politics. Well they left the government they supported and choosed the other camp.
About the rest we have different views, since you believe in a non statal economy and I defend that... So we have different views. So your considerations about american situation we discuss in other toppic and I refuse to accept such linear views...

Besides in my political believes I cannot accept and support dictators and violation of human rights in the name of economy... Pinochet was a murderer no matter what their defensors say. He is still popular. Well Salazar is also popular in Portugal... The fact is that their supporters never won elections in Chile, and after Pinochet 2 socialists were elected president and one of them, Ricardo Lagos (Allende ally) is still the most popular politician in that region. You say Pinochet is popular, so it is Allende. As I said Chile is still divided between these two men... I am happy to be in the side of humanism, democracy and freedom...

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